This week I got a chance to talk to beast. films about their up-coming film "Charlie On Parole" (trailer above), which stars T.J. Miller (Cloverfield), as Charlie, a recent parolee having to deal with life outside of prison, and struggling to be treated like a human being. The trailer looks very funny, and I frankly can't wait for it, so check it out, and after you're done watching check out the interview I conducted below!
Wes: How did each of you get interested in filmmaking?
Beast: We all had been interested in film for a while, but probably got started in our comedy groups. I (Paul) started making short comedy sketches with my friend Travis when I was a junior in high school. That kinda stuff made you cool because no one knew how to edit things then, there was no youtube and stuff. So having edited video made you a super stud. Kevin and Darren are in the group receSs at George Washington, and they always have awesome videos that they show at performances. But we've always had a deep love for filmmaking.
When did you all begin working together as a team and what was your first project as a team?
Well it was kind of a slow transition from basic acquaintances to collaborators, but basically we were connected through a friend of ours who goes to GWU with Kevin and Darren. They are in the George Washington University comedy group, ReceSs, and my friend who was part of the group introduced us. We slowly started doing improv and smaller projects together until we formed our own sketch/improv group, beast. in the summer of 2007. We did a few video sketches, realized that we all wanted to have some kind of career revolving around film, and that we should make a short. So in a way, this kind of was our first real long term "project" as a team.
Having worked primarily on short films and comedy skits, with the previous collaborations of beast. Comedy, how does this project differ from earlier projects in matters of complexity and work you've had to put into it?
This was the hardest thing I think any of us have done, because we had to produce it (on set and off), write it, get a cast/crew, basically everything you could ever imagine that is supposed to be spread throughout a wide number of people. We had a lot of help along the way from our DP Gus and friends, but mainly the work was thrown on our shoulders by default.
We had no idea how to do a lot of it, and we did a bunch of stuff wrong. Like spending money on stupid shit, and not having a line producer/production coordinator on set. Dear god if we only had that.
Also, coordinating with TJ was a hard, but it proved to be well worth it to stick with our high expectations.
How long did it take you to prepare for this project, resources, and logistics-wise? Was it difficult to organize the resources to undertake it, and what advice do you have to amateur filmmakers about preparing for their own projects?
Since Kevin and Darren were back to DC in September for school, a lot of the pre-production was spread over a longer period of time then it should have been. It's hard to collaborate through a phone or an iSight, so I would go down there every now and then we'd work on a ton of things, and then I'd have to go back. That definitely put a strain on our process.
My advice, again to amateur filmmakers about preparing projects is pay someone to produce/organize everything, even though I'm sure that's a given to most people. Even if you can do it yourself (sure you can, anyone can), you shouldn't because that takes your focus away from what matters when shooting a film. Kevin and I were on set, and instead of worrying about performances and getting a point across, we'd be worried that the van wasn't going to find a parking spot in Manhattan. It's very worth it to pay people for that sort of thing so you don't get stuck taking a phone call about a light rental when someone is waiting for a blocking rehearsal.
Also, prepare A LOT when you are directing a film. Like, think about the smallest details, because you probably will get asked the most obscure question. Most of directing is making really fast decisions, whether they are right or wrong. You just need to make decisions and then kind of stick with them. I guess it's a lot about instinct and trusting people you know you should trust.
You have T.J. Miller, best known for his recent role as "Hud" in the blockbuster "Cloverfield", starring as the main character Charlie. How did you get in contact with Miller and what is it like working with someone whose been recognized and established in a previous film of such renown?
He is amazing. I still to this day can't believe he shot this film with us.
TJ used to be in "ReceSs" the GWU comedy group that Darren and Kevin are currently a part of. TJ is someone who maintains connections, and he was always heavily connected to the group and proud to know any of its members. Kevin and Darren met him, and I did shortly after, while he was filming "Cloverfield". We actually had no idea he was in it until we went home and watched the teaser and got all excited because we heard his voice behind the camera.
He took beast. out one night to a shitty dive bar (because we were under 21 at the time and that was the only place we could go. He made the other actors in Cloverfield go there so he could hang out with us. That just goes to show how grounded and nice he is). At the bar, he gave us this meaningful speech about how now is the time for comedy groups to make films and produce as many scripts as you possibly can. He kind of left us inspired, and we figured that we should just write a short and shoot it, since the summer was ending soon and we wanted to follow his advice. So then Kevin and I came up with the idea for the film and started writing it. Darren became a part of it soon after.
TJ didn't really come into the picture until later on. Our choice for the lead role was a performer at UCB named Charlie Todd. He, however, was doing a bunch of stuff for his group Improv Everywhere and couldn't really commit to the time. So we auditioned a bunch of people, and couldn't find anyone who fit. So it was a total shot in the dark with TJ. We never expected him to say yes, we never expected him to respond actually. He was in the middle of shooting "Carpoolers". He was busy and his career was rising. He had no reason to say yes, and he said yes. I have no idea why.
To be honest, I don't think he realized what he was getting into, but in a good way. I think he anticipated something a little smaller then what we had planned. Me being in film school really helped in terms of connections to good equipment, very talented friends, and a general understanding of production. I think the first day he was a little impressed with what we had whipped up.
The first weekend we shot was when Cloverfield was coming out. Between shots he would look at his I-Phone and give us a new update on how it was doing. It was surreal to have him just sitting there going "64 million now." And then we'd say "OK, in this scene you should maybe tone the facial expressions down. And by the way, you're not getting paid. And stop juggling."
But it was great having him there. He had so many suggestions, but never stepped on anyone's toes. He would always take us aside and quietly whisper something we should do, and then we'd do it. He never played the celebrity card, never asked for anything more then a seat and a place to practice juggling. He was just amazing to work with and that ended up being an experience all on its own.
Did any of the members of the beast. team go to film school and what are your thoughts on it?
I went to film school, I just recently took a hiatus. I think film school is great if you go for the right reasons. If you go to film school in New York or LA, network and meet teachers that can help you out, then it's worth it for a few years. But if you go to film school in Ohio to learn how to "direct", you're basically just piling up student loans for no reason. Most people who went to film school say it was worthless, whether they're successful or not.
What did you shoot "On Parole" on, film or digital? And why did you choose the medium?
We shot on HD with Lens adapters. We basically chose it because it was the cheapest and best looking.
What do you feel is likely to be the long-term impact of digital technology on filmmaking? Will the explosion of cheap cameras with cinematic features, powerful computers, and free distribution networks on the internet change the system? Will it be for the better?
I think it's for the better, though with new technology always comes its downfall. More people will be making films for less, but that means it'll be harder to impress people with a good looking movie. But I feel that you can't buy sensibility, that's sort of something I learned in film school. Kids spend upwards of 30 thousand dollars making their opus, but it's like a piece of crap wrapped in a tiffany box, you're only fooling people so much.
With these tools providing more opportunities for filmmakers, while at the same time making filmmaking easier, it is lowering the bar in a lot of ways, and we've seen that with the massive amount of content on a network like YouTube from people all over the world, from all walks of life. With this flood of content, it can be hard for filmmakers to be noticed, how have you guys gotten noticed, and what are your advice for other filmmakers on how to get their work noticed?
I don't think so. I think effort and talent shows. I think a script and actors are the most important. It's like music; anyone can learn how to play the guitar, if you practice months and months for hours you will be awesome. but not everyone can write a good song, and that's kind of the most important thing. it hasn't really gone far yet because we're still finishing up the post process, but I would definitely say if anyone has taken us seriously so far, it's because of TJ and the rest of the cast, it looking so good, and the humor in the scenes. We put up a scene of it and the trailer online, and have gotten a lot of responses already in terms of promotion and distribution help. We're sending it off to festivals this week, so I guess we'll wait and see.
What are your distribution plans for "On Parole", and what are your suggestions for other filmmakers on how to contact distributors, who to talk to, and how?
I don't know if we have strong "plans" for it. We're just sending it to festivals and seeing if we get any bites. We really have no true experience in getting distribution, so hopefully this film will be a learning experience in that.
What do you feel, as a filmmaker is the most important advice you can give to other burgeoning filmmakers?
I guess it's "don't take no for an answer", or rather "don't let the idea of someone saying no keep you from trying". that's a big lesson we learned in this film. Every breakthrough we had with it was an instance when someone should have said "no". TJ should have said no. Our friends and family, who financed this, should have said no. The people who helped us get free equipment and worked for free also should have said no. Yet they said yes. Because we took risks and were lucky enough to have them pay off. We are so thankful for all the breaks we have gotten for this film. From the actors in it, to the score (which is being done for free by a talented friend of ours), we have been lucky to find someone who is way more talented then us.
And finally, do you know when "On Parole" is going to be released, and where can we watch out for it?
It should be officially done by the end of September, and hopefully will be in a few festivals come this winter. But you can check out any updates at Charlieonparole.com or beastfilms.net.
Thank you so much. It was a pleasure.
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So there you go guys, check out the trailer, and head over their site to see some really great stuff they've done before this, and stay tuned for more information on "Charlie".
Wes, I love the way you conduct and interview, the details are so awesome. Thanks, your a jewel!